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'Brony' Chivalry - This needs to be said

Journal Entry: Mon Feb 11, 2013, 2:49 PM
I hope to god I piss some people off/step on some toes with this rant.

I'm certain a lot of this rant will apply to the internet as a whole, but I'm speaking in specific about the pony fandom, because that's where a lot of these examples have taken place.

This fandom needs to stop objectifying women, and treating 'rape' as a fetish. This is a masculine issue, and this is a feminist issue. But most importantly, it is a human issue, and it needs to be addressed.

Read the rest here: zedrin-stormshock.tumblr.com/p…

And don't comment if you didn't read the post.
Some key notes: This is not typecasting the majority. These are indeed a 'shoutlier' representation: a smaller portion of the fandom that is so obnoxious or vulgar that they're taken as the majority.
But let me be clear: if we let them maintain the spotlight, our labeling will change-- and not just in the fandom, as the concept of a 'male' as a whole. The way this is countered is by being the good examples that they are not.

AGAIN. DO NOT COMMENT IF YOU DID NOT READ.

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:iconcdpaliden:
Cdpaliden Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I think it would be nice if this concept extended to the entirety of the human race, not just to bronies. But baby-steps I suppose...?
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:iconredwallfanforever:
redwallfanforever Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
Would you have been able to fit what's in your link here or would that go over the boundaries of what's allowed on the site?
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It wouldn't, it's just a bit more convenient to have it in one location. I don't like posting excessively long rants on my DA page--only moderately long will do. My Tumblr I'm a lot less restrictive over.
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:iconredwallfanforever:
redwallfanforever Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
Thanks for explaining that.
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Masterweaver Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Huh, I've never seen this. In fact, the only experience I've had with fictional pony rape treated it as horrific and psychologically scarring.
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:iconhardcyder:
HardCyder Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconoctaviaclapplz: I couldn't agree with you more. I like to think that because so many adult men love MLPFiM, that it means we are redefining masculinity to exclude male chauvinism. But, alas, there seems to be a sizable group of men (in my experience many are young boys posing as men online) in the fandom that see women as less than human. Most likely, they were like this before joining the fandom but, none the less, they tarnish our image while inflicting their ignorance on others. I think what you're doing is the key to battling this - being vocal. And for anyone else reading this comment, please, if someone says or does something sexist around you, speak up. If you can, open up a dialoge with the person and try to show them why it's wrong.
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Professional Filmographer
On the note of it being young boys posing as men, I think you're probably right in many respects. If any case a good portion of perpetrators at least have an immature mentality, whether or not they're younger.
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:iconhardcyder:
HardCyder Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's so true.
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Honeycrisp1012 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Thank you for this.
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Vunlinur Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Being honest, after reading this i start to wonder who do you deal with daily.
Surfing the net, meeting bronies on meets regularly, in chatrooms/comunicators, people i meet are at least quite tollerant and have respect for the opposite gender.
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It's my VA friends. People expect them to be willing to voice -anything-, and constantly ask them to roleplay/typefuck with them. Hell someone asked one of my friends to do so on webcam.

What happens in a public setting is leagues different from the private.
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Vunlinur Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It reminds me of a random global language chat, where if You don't chose a category You're interested in, then your interlocutor will probably be a pedophil or another deviant...
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Professional Filmographer
You mean Omegle? That's another story. People in this scenario already have a common interest, and belong to the same fandom.
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:iconvunlinur:
Vunlinur Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Nah, not exactly, there are plenty of sites like this. And people divide equally to every of them, as well to every fandom and community. So i just generalise. :)
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PandaSennin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Student Filmographer
Sorry, don't care.
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Clearly you do to an extent cause you felt the need to comment :v
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:iconpandasennin:
PandaSennin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Student Filmographer
Only to see what reaction I would get. The story itself not so much.
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Whatever floats your boat =P
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PandaSennin Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Student Filmographer
The tears of children.
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theezombie Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013
Bravo! encore! encore!
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vVKaptainVv Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
The SAD part about this is that it needs to be done. Your points, sir, are all right. Many of my "friends" I had in high school looked at women as toys. A large amount of people do. Sure, I may see a woman and think "she's really pretty, I wonder..." but I've never talked to a woman specifically to, ahem, fuck her. I really don't care about relationships (for myself) so I've never fallen into the "horndog" category.

On the subject of speaking up about it. Well, I don't really know what I can do. If someone does it on the internet, the most you can do is single them out, no? And if they're doing it on the internet, then it's already public/they're doing it with all their like-minded buds. Now, if it's real life, a hell of a lot more can be done, and I do. I just don't really know how to combat it on the internet front. The government has been trying for years to stop illegal piracy, and those websites are still around. What's to say we could -legally- stop these guys? If you've got an idea, I am literally all ears. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just saying I don't know how to fix it o.o Other than be vocal, that is. Of course, relying on society to back me up if I call these people out... Ha, forgive me for not feeling more assured. Some of "society" is the reason the shit exists.
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Being outspoken is an important first step, I feel. A lot of more reasonable guys (and girls) also tend to distance themselves from the fandom when something goes awry, whereas they could instead take a stand and assert why something is wrong instead of just saying that they're not like it.

Though, I was a little vague on what could be done. Most of my argument was meant to persuade thinking, which at the very least would be a cold shower to anyone who (even inadvertently) followed poor examples.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Of which, has nothing to do with bronies. Yep. No matter what people responded to me with, this has nothing to do with bronies. And can you get off guy's collective dicks already? No matter if the girl's cheating on her boyfriend or the other way around, it's nothing to do with ponies.

I'm not going to get behind chivalry because it's discriminatory against men. Courtly love is romantic fiction. Its this idea of unrequited love, where the guy is supposed to 'love' a woman but is forbidden to act on his feelings and yet never betray that love by finding someone of his own to truly love. Its creepy, existed only in fiction, and is downright stalkerish. So no, I'm not going to 'man up.'

"This fandom is filled with individuals who, biologically, are adult males, yet their brains are in a poorer state than a tweenager who’s just discovered masturbation."

Oh thank you so fucking much. I wasn't aware that the social police were here to save the day against the socially outcast men that ..

Look, I can't continue, this is retarded. If you don't like men acting like males chasing women and letting them succeed or fail on their own, just remember, a woman usually has to say yes first. So stop making women out to be weak pathetic creatures that need their virtue protected through chivalry. You are a white knight and your rambling arguments show it.

And has nothing to do with bronies Change the title.
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Professional Filmographer
noe c:

I get the feeling that your only concern is saving the face of the precious fandom.

If you read into this, this is a call to the males in the fandom. Not an attack on them. It's an insistence that we can stand up and defend our reputation by being a positive role instead of allowing these blatant offenders from having a say.

I'm just calling it like I see it.

Or you could, you know, ignore it, like you have no trouble doing other aspects in the fandom. Hell, I don't care.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
nope.
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Acheron187 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
A great rant! I feel like this fandom doesn't understand the child fans either, I mean type in anything on google pony related and odds are you'll find a pornographic picture. As well as the fact that the contests that go on and 20+ year old people are entering them, people need to understand that the show was made for kids and stop making all this mature stuff.
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Squigglz Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for posting this, even if seeing all the poor menz get their little fee-fees hurt over it was aggravating.
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I didn't post this as an attack on men, though. I posted this, as a male, calling to other males to take a stand against these attacks, and prove why they're false. There's a good chunk of guys who know this behavior is unacceptable-- I'm just asking them to stand up and do something about it.
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Squigglz Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know you didn't. That's why it's so annoying to see the apologists come out and baww about their feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings. One that I replied to followed me to my account, lol, since you blocked him. Whee.
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TomFraggle Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
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:iconshadowflashdabearded:
Well can say something, at least that basic guide line is a start else still agree with the verbal conversation idea. Personally first time I was on the Brony Chat via DA, I though I was watching a animation series not actually verbally speaking as if and I could be wrong but the males were taking attention advantage of the women. Then seen the old "distasteful" sights because of good pics being posted there from DA. Personally can't change them all. Even some women feel the need for the extra attention not in mind of what and maybe in mind of what they are getting into. Not just this fandom but others as well. Flaunting at young ages only to tempt men and vice versa. Ja there was that one you-tube video of Twilight that was short but made many hits just because it was provocative and can't blame the old kid seeing it because of the fandom and messing his/her life up because of it. I would start the word there end the big fish first. Get higher ups and word will spread. Like I said earlier all fandoms has just the odd few but many followers.
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I think I get what you're saying. A lot of it does go both ways, yes, but in a male-dominated fandom, and as a male myself, I just tried to phrase my argument as it'd be relevant. (I think I know what video you're talking about--about 5 million views so far? My friend Tiarawhy animated it.) Though creation of rule 34 and how it's spread are two totally different things.

(Random note: I sometimes have a bit of following your posts, but suddenly I started reading your post in Mordin's voice from Mass Effect. o-o Totally random but it somehow made it easier to follow, heh.)
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:iconshadowflashdabearded:
Can you send me those posts you mentioned. I recall possibly one post but fear hope not a double ganger the other side to corruption. Thanks
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I'm not sure where they are, they've typically been in my journals. (If you wanna see what Mordin sounds like: [link]. He's a pretty cool character from Mass Effect)
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Hayyarden Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
I'd like to read all comments, but it's too much for now - so I may repeat something discussed below.
Anyway, you didn't discover anything special and new, sir. Nay, your appeal look some kind ridiculous, like sadness or anger of kid who discovered, that his black fellows in Africa are hungry, poor etc. Meet the real world of human's weaknesses. Btw, in the name of what idea would people of our civilization be moral and rightful, since they are brain-washing by media, which encourages to be hedonistic and selfish?
The other thing is, why when woman says "I wanna rape you" she is considered as funny, independent etc? When man says something like this, it's regarded as hideous - and it's fair, but where is this "equality"?
What's more, women today aren't same women as they were. Where are those real ladies, who can make with you a smart conversation about literature, music, who are able to talk about intelectual matters? I personally met hmm.. maybe four, five girls like those? Rest of them gets orgasm to placard of new Twilight, consider Fifty Shades of Gey as highly smart and intellectual book, and eat all bullshit given by media. Well, whatever will you say, for me they're only good objects to fuck, like mindless dolls.
I also think, that feminists are also guilty about this conjucture - one example: read even a first paragraph of that article [link] And now think about this, that this guy is now defended by most feministic organisations in Poland. Weird? Well, that shows how much feminism is fucked up.
At last but not least - if you are so angry go to India, Turkey or Arabia to fight discrimination. There are real problems, not in America or Europe.
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Musical-Medic Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pardon me. I normally try not to comment on these things but I felt like I need to.
This going to be very rude. Fair warning.
I don't even know what to say to this.
Literally. There's too much ignorance to comment on.
he never said it was acceptable for a woman to do it.
He never said that this was a new thing.
Just because it was something new doesn't mean that they can't take proactive steps to helping.
Where in the hell did you get that concept of women being mindless dolls that like 50 shades of gray and twilight. Not a majority at all. Using your own words against you, you're eating the same bullshit from media you're saying every woman on the planet does.
I hope you rot in a house alone just for saying that. Seriously, to say something like that to a someone, woman or man, is just down right distasteful and fucking stupid.
Also, discrimination is a glaring issue here as well. Obviously, women in America don't have to cover their faces and can't drive and other things, but that doesn't mean other forms of discrimination happens.
Gender roles is an example "Women should stay in the kitchen" jokes.
A lot, like, A LOT of my friends take those jokes to heart and really believe that the only worth women have are to pop out babies and clean the house. I've even heard this from my own damn father.
A lot of my so called friends truely believe as a half black person that I should be hung in the fucking tree, or fucking shot as well.
But I know that not everyone one in the world is like that. Just because the handful of women acted like that according to your perceptions doesn't mean that every woman in the world is a dumbass.
When people make assumptions based off of what they've seen, it makes them look very ignorant.
So unless you can prove all these women act this way and everyone's brainwashed by society, you're being a very ignorant person.

I've dealt with these problems he's talking about first hand, and have never dealt with them until I entered the brony fandom.
I hate to be rude, but everytime I see someone post something along the lines of "Women bronies are being discriminated on" Someone always spews a lot of bullshit on them saying that it isn't true, when I've dealt with these problems myself and know a lot of others that have too. and everytime I try the nice tactic they just ignore me cause they're right.
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Hayyarden Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
I am very sorry that I made you that angry. Really, I feel ashamed. But only for that.
Like Zedrin, I'm basing on my own feelings and observations. Maybe I have too high expectations. Maybe that's my fault, that if I see a girl cursing more than all guys I ever met, smoking like a dragon, drinking a lot and then trying to cuddle everyone, blabbing which pants her favourtie pop star wore, backstabbing friend he has spoken five minutes before, joking meanly about ginger guy on same party, that he sits alone - maybe it's my fault that I see all those only as mindless dolls. But how deaf and blind I would have to be, to consider it's all ok?

"A lot, like, A LOT of my friends take those jokes to heart"
Well, it's known that word is sharper than sword. But it's also known, that worrying about jokes is immature. People should learn, that keeping health distance to everything (I don't know how to translate this idiom correctly, I hope you'll understand) is best way to live in harmony with the world. Me and all of my friends (girls too) are very cynic and we like to joke about each other, usually very venomously. But always in presence of person who is an object of jokes, no backstabbing. And we don't have problem with that, we all know jokes are jokes, maybe because we're bunch of perky fellows. Self confidence, that's a cure for that "worst of all possible things!" - discrimination in jokes. E.g. You looks very angry of "Women should stay in the kitchen" joke? C'mon, do you really think there is safer place for you to stay? It's for your own good :D ... Ok, sorry, I couldn't resist myself. But really, I think that trying to ban joking about other sex (or, how you call it, gender) is another step to restrict freedom of speech. Not better if women creates their own and jokes about men? :D I have nothing against, I always laugh of myself.

"[not]every woman in the world is a dumbass." I know it, and what's most important ma'am, that you're surely not one of them. Your arguments are logical and your words ("have never dealt with them until I entered the brony fandom") get my attention, worrying me. It's indeed scary and to be honest, I've never heard about something like that in my local fandom.

But keep away from calling me ignorant I kindly please, cause I only describe my perspective of problem and I'm open for discussion. I'd like to see all treating each other equal, but not under oppresive laws preventing from even opening mouth.
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:iconzedrin:
Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I never said it didn't apply both ways, although I'm just basing this article off of personal experience that I and my friends have seen.

Sounds like you just have trouble finding the right people to talk to. If a girl couldn't 'make with you a smart conversation about literature, music, who are able to talk about intelectual matters' I wouldn't be talking to them, yet here I am talking to several.

I find it funny how many people (yourself included) completely neglected the very first line in the rant, as well. Based on what you pointed out I get the feeling you just skimmed through and jumped to conclusions, because you totally missed the point about what the rant was about. It's centralized on the fandom because that gets people to react to it. No shit it's a global and has been a global issue, but widespread ones people tend to distance themselves from. Besides, it's easier to change your immediate surroundings.

Plus, it's mostly a masculine issue from where I came from, not a feminist one. This is because I'm a male, most of the perpetrators in question are male, and I'd like to see something done about it at a local level.

I've studied gender and communication, media exposure, basic psychology, and public speaking. Unless you can garner some backing to help trump that instead of an opinion of 'well I don't like this because unrelated reasons,' there's not much for me to consider in your conjecture.
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Hayyarden Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
"I'm just basing this article off of personal experience" And it's the key. Look - for you it's huge problem, while lot of us never ever heard about such things happening around them before (but we still agree it's bad). And it shows you're overreacting. I mean: man, all in all it's the one of minor problems today. Whenever I read about treading women in the Asia for example, I thank God how mature american-european culture is.

"I wouldn't be talking to them"... man, you're funny. I like to met new people and I try to have a little conversation with everyone who seems interested. And maybe (actually.. surely) I was too cynic, often girls I met looks like worth to talk with, but lot of them at some point shows their stupidity, emptiness, vanity. Sometimes I learn from my true friends, that I get backbited by those... That's frustrating, but few of my best female friends always restore my faith in prettier sex.

"I find it funny (...)you totally missed the point"
I read your article very carefully, but though it was an appeal to fandom, I wanted to write about my thoughts and polemicize about that parts which I actually choosed.

"I've studied gender.." (well it's nothing glorious, but nvm)
Man, I could be Emperor of Japan (ok, that's kind of untruth cause I'm only 18yr-old high school student yet) and? When you get into a discourse on the border of a philosophical worldview, you can be even the pope, but I care only about logical arguments. But you got nothing but kind of holy anger. I appreciate that and all in all I support what you say - cause I personally always try to behave like a sir and treat all women like a ladies - even if they're not always worth it.

Back into subject - as a male, when I see scantily clad girl, I often have thoughts like "oh God, I'd love to bang her": it's biology - people aren't made only from soul. Despite that, two times happened to me that drunk girls on parties tried to drag me to bed - but you know what? I run. ;) That's because I believe, that having sex without loving someone is barren, idle.

Summing my claims:
- You're exaggerating. It's not such a big problem in wider perspective, maybe you just have "luck" to spot those cases.
- Not everyone is as smart and learned as you (zero irony), so you have to accept that those things will happen and creepers exist. Bronies are not club for highly sophisticated gentlemen, sadly.
- Anyway, I support your message, cause it's rightful and I'd like to see, that fandom I'm in develops in good direction.
- Be modest my friend, I'm sure it's not this case, but sometimes even uneducated, but logically thinking person can be more right than professor with milion diplomas, but with mind wasted by sophistric theories.
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
If you had read, I clearly stated that this applies on a much broader scale, I centralized it on the fandom to motivate action. You can argue with my methods, but not my results.

Beyond that, I guess we only defer in thinking how much we can do as individuals. I do use hyperbole a lot--kinda was making the exaggerations a point. But I do legitimately feel that something can still be done to a degree. I've been on the net for a good long while, and in many fandoms. I know first-hand how difficult and widespread an issue this is, but I never see anything done about it. So maybe I'm ignorant for believing something can be done, but what harm is there in trying?
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Hayyarden Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
"If you had read..." Sure, but anyway it was an appeal to us, to male part of fandom. I'm not native speaker as you see, but I like ideological disputes and that's why I entered this one. And I assure you, I read it carefully, I don't see in my posts anything in logical conflict to your claims.
"much broader scale"
That's why I was talking generally in first post. Maybe I was a bit too annoyed after first reading, seeing next dreamer ;) which wants to change the world with internet.
"You can argue with my methods, but not my results"
Thanks to Artemis post, I'm more prone to admit you're right in describing scale of problem.
"what harm is there in trying?" As I said, You have my swor... Or better not, I'm weak at fencing. But I'm good in archery, what would you say about a bow? ;)
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Zedrin Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
AND MY AXE! xD
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Hayyarden Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
Erratum:
"I read about treading women" - treating
" who seems interested." - interested in it.
"in prettier sex." - prettier part of humanity.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah... This is absolutely nothing to do with Bronies. And nice job there white knight, feminism really needs your help. I really couldn't give to fucks about what other guys do with women anymore, because I went Men Going Their Own Way and said goodbye to relationships period because of the inherently sexist policies in divorce courts, relationship stigmas, unanswered violence against men, and a whole other host of problems society has that amounts to male disposability.

OF WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MLP/BRONIES.

you do realize that most of the brony artists drawing sexy ponies are women right? sure there's some men out there (some famous ones too: slugbox), but you go to Fur Affinity and the bulk of the what the fukery is being drawn by women 'shipping ponies.

So as for national 'rape' day. I've never heard of it, and to be bluntly honest, couldn't care less. Men and women have been fucking for as long as we have existed, and last time I checked (unless you're in France where flirting is a crime now) asking a woman out and having sex regardless of what day it is, is still legal. For now at least. I mean I've never been asked out, what's taking women so long? Oh yeah that's right, men are expected to take the initiative and ask the women out. Good thing I'm not interested or I might have a problem.
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ScribbleQuill Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You really should have actually read it. I can prove you didn't in one blow. "national rape day" was never mentioned. He said that May Day was a pagan sex holiday, which it is. Never said it was "rape day". The mention was that the boys in the chat wanted to rape the friend on this holiday.

Actually read it so you don't sound like that, huh?
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
For the record, they were talking about May 1st, a pagan sex ritual. Yes, this fucktard was literally saying, ‘Hey you should hook up with Jen so you can have sex with her on national orgy day.’

This objectification of women needs to stop. Girls don’t exist for you to just get in a relationship with, and I have to commend Jason for being a rational individual and realistically shooting down this other guy. Seriously, why would Jen spontaneously want to hook up with someone when she already has a fucking boyfriend?

I'm sorry, "orgy day" My bad.

I repeat:

OF WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MLP/BRONIES.
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ScribbleQuill Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
He's already said more than once that this is a global issue. He focused on bronies because that's who's been doing all of this stuff to the actresses he knows, and because that's the fandom he has physical evidence from.
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MEMJ0123 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
You make valid points, but you clearly didn't read and/or comprehend what Zed wrote. Nice job making yourself look like an idiot.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You know, sometimes, I think you guys aren't reading what Zed wrote.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh and then there was this part:

It’s time for the male side of the fandom to man up and get behind the idea of chivalry again, not for the sake of putting women on a pedestal, but for the sake of treating people with basic human decency.

Don’t say you’re going to molest/rape a girl (or anyone for that matter)
Don’t ask some to molest/rape you. It’s not funny. If it’s not outright creepy it’s outright stupid
Don’t talk to a girl with an intent to hook up with them
If someone is in a relationship, RESPECT THAT. Why the FUCK would anyone ever get with a person who WANTS them to be unfaithful?
Respect people’s personal space. Don’t pet them or grab their things

So why did Zed go on and on about MEN needing to man up and do what's right, when the original chat was about a WOMAN cheating on their boyfriend? Huh?
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